Max. It has always had a good trigger but now it has one of those Ive fired it about 50,000 times trigger jobs and is as smooth and sweet as any trigger Ive owned. It is a tough call since their chamber work and mine are so, so close to the same. But they do fit nicely behind a seat. Shout, I mean shoots, doesnt rally shout, kind of barks. Here in Ohio legal deer hunting rifle cartridges are straightwall cases from .357 to .50. Loads for .357 Magnum: (Note: These are near maximum loads, you should use 10% less to start. The Henry Big Boy Steel in .357 is about $700. It could even work for breech-seating. 357 Magnum Rifle M.V. There is a fine line between hobby & obsession! We are not currently living in such times, when even steel-cased Russian 9mm is sold off the shelves at ridiculous markups. Apparently it was a regular thing. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. She relegates me to my Win 94 trapper in 45 Long ColtI guess I get by. (I do have a Ruger LCR that was pretty good out of the box and a 50 year old 1911 that are in the running.). It was simply the .357 case lengthened to 1.60 and used the heavier bullets of 158 grains to as much as 200 grains. If I didnt have to deal with CAs onerous gun registration laws, Id otherwise be glad to offer someone one of my Glock/AR sets for a .357 Mag revolver + rifle. I think its partly because leverguns are unusual in a sea of sameness, and also because theyve still got a bit of that badass Old West cachet. I would also point out that IHMSA was a handloader's sport. Its moderate recoil makes it perfect for smallish folks such as the ladies and folks with disabilities who simply can not stand the recoil of the various .45's. I know both of these are on the cheap side but the fun my kids and I have when we bring this to the range is priceless. This is the showpiece among Winchesters 1873 model range, and it had better be with a price tag at around $1,800. Which was ".357 maximum Auto Rimless." The moniker ".357 Max AR" stuck with the round for 3 reasons, 1) it was a 5.56 case expanded to straightwall, maximizing its capacity, 2) it uses load data very similar to the 357 Maximum rimmed revolver cartridge, and 3) the "Max-AR," Auto Rimless, was really only meant for use in AR-15's . My findings are three of us used 357 mag out of 2 Rossi lever at 20 inch and one Marlin with 16.25 to hunt blacktails and elk. Bare essentials. Re: Reloading the 357 MAXIMUM. Trust me. I make do with a 336 Marlin in .35 Rem. Just ask! I am going to start reloading though as JHP rounds for these calibers are expensive and I am apprehensive about using the easily found round nose bullets on a tube magazine gun. If you can't locate a H&R/NEF in 357 mag a very decent alternative is a Braztech/Rossi made scaled down clone. Bingo. And of course my Marlin comes back today from the warranty repair and they still havent fixed the main issue I sent it in for. Good thought though. That stands for International Handgun Metallic Silhouette Association. |regenC|MC Set || Li Mc HIT || || LP Mc HIT ||, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Flintlock Misc, Antique (Pre-1899) Rifles - Matchlock/Wheellock Misc, Century Arms International (CAI) - Rifles, Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Rifles (perc), Winchester Rifles - Modern Bolt/Auto/Single, Winchester Rifles - Pre-1899 Bolt/Single Shot, Century Arms International (CAI) - Pistols, Colt Automatic Pistols (.25, .32, & .380 cal), Colt Single Action Revolvers - Modern (22 Cal. This is not an issue for single-shot firearms, and the long bullet cleared the rifling in the pressure barrel and our T/C barrels. I believe Ive had more fun with my .357 Maximum barrel than any other in my T/C stable with the possible exception of the .22 Hornet barrel. Even if production revolvers missed the test barrel velocities by 200 fps, they produced enough muzzle velocity to achieve good terminal performance from softpoints giving better penetration. Reloading has nothing to do with it.. And, I AM a Vietnam in-country veteran, Gomer. Pic is 5 shots with 21.0 gr, 3 of the 5 in 3/4" but all 5 is 1.5". MAXIMUM RIFLE | 325 | 122 | Lc | 125.0022ms, HARRINGTON & RICHARDSON 158 .357 MAXIMUM RIFLE. CHECK FOR EXCESS PROTRUSION OF THE CASE FROM THE END OF THE BARREL BEFORE FIRING! Really puts a pop in the round. The .357 Maximum is a stretched .357 Magnum case; its about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. Since that time, many believe that the issues stem from using light-loads consisting of 110 and 125 grain (gr.) https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/gunsmith-review-wild-west-guns-marlin-rescue-project/, Not a .357, but a Rossi lever. They show up now and again and they are a really fine rifle. There are even night sights available from aftermarket suppliers. .357 Remington Maximum Done Right by Mike Bellm, Mr. Max USA. Either will give hunting accuracy better than a big percentage of "varmint rifles! Marlin made a name for themselves offering an improved version of the Winchester action starting in the 1880s. The Model X in .357 magnum is super compact with an overall length of just 36.3 inches. I had the model 19 years ago. Show Only Guns Dies, a dipper set and some components and you are gtg. It's failure as a commercial load does not reflect poorly on it's performance, as it has become increasingly popular for handgun hunters and silhouette shooters alike. At only 6 lbs, it can easily be carried in the handwhich you have to do since it lacks sling studs. I have become a fan. The unnecessary cross bolt safety can easily be deleted with a Beartooth Mercantile safety delete kit for $35.00. Maybe some lighter .30-30 loads would be better, but .357 would be so good. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. In the early 1980s, the hottest thing going for competitive handgunners was IHMSA. So it partly the pandemic, and partly the Presidential election, and then the riots in major cities across the USA. Henry is finally putting out some side loading gate models, while still retaining the muzzle end magazine tube, so as to make them easier and safer to unload. It too feeds with no problems but is more work to make. Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum. Made in 1983, serial 600-02396 has a 10.5-inch barrel, blade front sight, adjustable rear sight, transfer bar and wood grips. Designed to use popular handgun calibers, it allowed shooters to carry a single caliber of ammo. Best .357 Magnum Lever-Action Rifles. I think my Henry BB 45 Colt is my fav. but I can welcome You to the forum. SAAMI maximum is 48,000, and in the closed breech guns pressures can be run at the same levels as 5.56 NATO, about 54,000 psi. That all depends on the powder youre burning. Roger super Redhawks and Henry big boy , both in .44mag. I always assumed it was so you didnt lose your rifle when making a Sabre charge and hauling ass on your horse. Many people download it and get unburnt . A T/C Contender G2 or Encore makes a lot more since. Note: A complete article about the .357 Maximum can be found on the Handgun Cartridge . Thanks for your replies. Mine was made in about 2005, for what its worth. And you get a couple more rounds in the tube. Back in 05, I bought an Interarms marked Rossi model 92SR off of the used rack at a LGS for $200. I'd bet you well over 90 percent of all IHMSA ammo was loaded on the shooter's bench. It came back looking like new. H110. In an effort to keep the playing field dead level for all competitors, they rigidly adhered to the no-modification standard. It was an 1895 GBL. Who needs a semi auto rifle. But those new X models are very hard to get now. The 350 Legend is faster, more powerful, and can be used in more guns than the .357 Magnum. Surprised no one has mentioned Smith and Wesson 627 Performance Center 8 shot in 357. My Name. Maybe this shortage will get more people into the handloading business. It's my personal opinion that the flame cutting on the revolvers chambered in this cartridge gave it a bad rep. ALL factory handgun ammo is impossible to obtain now in the Covid 19 and Defund the Police world we live in now. I have been wanting one for years now and always seem to miss the boat as they sell out quickly. Click the link to go to the Contact page: If you choose to remove the forend, contact me first so you don't lose parts removing the forend! Many shooters used their long-barreled .357 Magnum revolvers but usually longed for a bit more velocity to go with those heavy bullets. .357 Maximum loaded with Our 200g Hollow Point gas checked to produce zero leading even at full speed. 1830 fps 100 yds 1427 fps 200 yds 1138 fps 158 gr. The.357 Maximum, formally known as the.357 Remington Maximum or the.357 Max, is a super magnum handgun cartridge originally developed by Elgin Gates as the wildcat.357 SuperMag. Your buddys Italian .357 was probably a Chiappa. Geoff: Nope, not yet. But I take your point that a rifle can be usefuland fun. Factory triggers dont come much, if any, better than the k frames., I have to agree. One of the best, if not, the best little caliber you would ever want ! $1,379.99. Some hunters have decided to have single-shot rifles rechambered for the cartridge because it's very easy to handle when fired from a rifle. Such a longer cartridge is a pipe dream until someone steps up and makes a longer revolver cylinder. Ive been at the range many times when people in adjacent lanes started talking about trigger quality and, when I let them fire that old 19, the response is usually just, wow. No, the article actually shows period photos of guys wearing cross slings with clips on the end that attached to the rifle, so they could let it dangle by their legs. Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. The comparisons have all included .357 magnum pistol velocities though. . Good time to start getting ready for the next ammo drought. ), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (flint), Muzzleloading Modern & Replica Pistols (perc), United States Patent Firearms Revolvers/Pistols, Century Arms International (CAI) - Shotguns, Ruger Blackhawk .357 Maximum, 1983, 10.5-inch, great bore, 95%, layaway, Rossi Model 92 357 Mag, Case Color Receiver. Remington is the only manufacturer of brass for this caliber, but Hornady, Speer, Sierra, Remington, Winchester, and several other manufacturers make bullets that work well for the cartridge. But muh tactical! you say? Count yourself lucky They are getting to very hard to find! Max chambering. The Carbine model features a 10-round tube and a 20-inch barrel. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. For the more meticulous shooters and those who like to experiment with the widest variety of bullet types. .358" jacketed, .357" jacketed, and cast lead bullets, just ask them to send the barrel to me to chamber for $105 post paid to you, billed separately by me. .357 Remington Maximum is one potent game harvesting machine with more energy potential than factory .30/30 Winchester and .35 Remington, roughly equal to factory .300 Savage, and not far behind .308 Winchester energy levels, but with much less powder, less muzzle blast, and less recoil! Yes, tactical Virginia, you can put a red dot on a lever gun. The MAGnum case with the bullet seated out holds exactly the same charge weights as factory .350 Legend ammo, 21 to 23 gr.! Just wish the all-weather version didnt have the silly loop lever. im looking to trade for a 357 lever action.. Good luck.hope you brought your best marbles.. Latest: Arima-bob A moment ago Southern California Fishing Reports B What boat less than 30ft can take a 3' @ 6-7 head sea Latest: Bottom Dragger 1 minute ago Boating Discussion Stripping old rods Latest: nefarious235 2 minutes ago Fishing Rod Building Forum Funny, but what popped into my head was Arkansas and Alaska arent benighted states. The last time I was at the range with my marlin in 45-70 all eyes were on meeveryone else shooting the newest AR/AK and here comes this doofus with a lever action thumper. Id like to, but my current living situation and potential job changes/living situations dont allow for me to set up an area for reloading. by groschen1936 Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:30 am, Post The Big Boy Steel Carbine is competing for the top of my wish list I really like the color case hardened version. Above: Image courtesy of Steinel Ammunition. by AJMD429 Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:09 pm, Post If you compare a 16" 30-30 to a 16" .357 Mag, the difference is even smaller. That feature was what was holding me back from buying one. Of course, I dont carry it on a single point like the muh AR crowd does. First and foremost is that all the straight-walled cartridges in this article max out at somewhat close range. Its the truth about guns, not cooking. A broken case was stuck in the chamber and a bullet a ways down the barrel. It's another special purpose cartridge that has an eerie resemblance to the Max. https://leeprecision.com/lee-loader-45-70-govt.html. Browning created the 1892 to compete with the Marlin 1888, and according to legend, completed the work in two weeks. Every time TTAG runs a lever gun article I want one. Great for when wearing gloves. About the only .357 or .38 spl ammo available now is the pricey 30-bucks-for-a-box-of-20 defensive loads. The Casull is way shorter than the Max and ~the same OAL as the 360 DW. In fact, a lever action carbine and a revolver in matching caliber is every bit as useful today as it was for the settlers on the Western Frontier. Youll see how relevant lever guns are next time the bolsheviks are in the white house. Yes, they can, of course, be fired farther, but the design, mass and speed of the bullets are what really determine effective range. The .357 magnum has never been irrelevant since it made its debut 80 + years ago. I'm chasing accuracy not top speed. I still have a stash of Hornady 180 grain SSP's for it. I sure like my Marlin 94c..I had my Smith do an action and trigger job on it. The .357 Max will out perform the .350 Legend except in one area - rimless. Kept that gun quite a few years, took it out to shoot every now and then. The 92 is a round-barrel model, with the metal bits in blued steel and the furniture in black walnut. I agree, a lever gun in the .357 Max would be quite the setup. My current 357 carbine is a Marlin 94 from 1998. Save your brass and reload. JM all day but damn are they pricey if you can find them at all. Please enjoy those guns with your family on my behalf, as I will not be purchasing **anything** in CA in my continuing quest to remain off the CADOJs books. . We cover the 357 MaximumAll you need to know about the 357 Remington Maximum! Because the .357 Maximum in a Contender comes close to .35 Rem. I have a old JM Marlin lever rifle in .357, Its one of those rifles that has been out there and used before I got it. All Shooting Times subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. Cold hammer-forged barrel results in ultra-precise rifling that provides exceptional accuracy and longevity. The Speer Hot Cor 180 soft point shoots lights out and velocities are over 2200 fps. The world's most powerful firearm database. Todays edition also features a falling block safety, so it can be carried loaded. If you hand-load long bullets that seat deeply in the case, you may need a longer expander plug to avoid crumpling the case. The Jelly Head Maximum utilizes an extended taper and fluted ports to tighten patterns up to 20 perc OUR STOCK NUMBER:13211 CONDITION: NEW IN THE BOX MAKE/MODEL: ROSSI..R-92 ACTION: LEVER RIFLE CALIBER: .357 MAGNUM/.38 SPECIAL BARREL: 20" CAPACITY: 12+1 FURNITURE: DARK BRAZILIA Uberti 1873 Cattleman II NM Steel 7 1/2" .357 Mag with Retractable firing pin (356550) This pistol is brand new in the box. I would start there and if you want more velocity you can increase to the max load of 19 gr. Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Supertight Remington 20 Ga. Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Supertight Remington 12 Ga. Primos Jelly Head Choke Tube Maximum Benelli-beretta 12 Ga. Uberti 1873 Cattleman NM Steel 7 1/2" .357 Mag with Retractable firing pin (356550), Taylor's & Co 1892 Alaskan Black Takedown 16" Lever Action 357 Mag - NIB, 200 Round Case Underwood Ammunition .38 Special 100gr. Thanks for reading! The .357 sounds like just the ticket for deer hunting in heavy brush where 70-80 yard shots are about the max you will find. Barrel has only been to the range for load development. Discussion forums for GunBroker.com users. If a customer takes possession of the firearm, Intrepid considers this acceptance of the condition, and will not offer a return. Ive shot the .30-30, and its fine, but man, Id love that thing in .357. Have you actually tried looking for a .38/.357 lever gun? I will admit to some bias my first handgun was a S&W Model 19 and, for many years, it was my only handgun. The late Bill Ruger got interested and set his people to work. by AJMD429 Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:32 pm, Post If you use 158-grain bullets on game, I highly recommend softpoints over hollowpoints. I really cant eithersure was glad I had 8 30 round mags full of 62 gr 556 as BLM looters were approaching in May. Maximum average pressure (MAP) was set at 40,000 psi/48,000 CUP, substantially higher than the .357 Magnum. ", Go toMatch Grade Machine or call them at 435 628 0071. by bgmkithaca Sat Jul 21, 2012 6:32 pm, Post On the other hand, I own a .357 Uberti 1873 sporting Deluxe 24.5 octagonal barrel rifle and the thing is drop dead sexy, and fun to shoot. Nice single shot rifle. The powerful Ruger 77/357 is chambered in .357 Mag. The 2350 fps 150gr .30-30 is 1850 ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle. So without further adiou "Welcome". Post Item Number: 534259137. 38 Special ammo is cheap and easy to reload for plinking and target practice. I sight in for 75 yards which lets me go out 125 yards with pretty much a dead on hold. That and you cant find 357 magnum ammunition anywhere. You can shoot 357 Mags through it. Comments like yours on why dont you just reload are what limits some of my shooting time on the metallic silhouette range as its full of old vietnam era (and older) shooters that whine more than a Karen in the wild if you dont pick up your brass with intent to reload. Being a straight walled cartridge, its a snap. The 1873 Deluxe Sporting is that classic rifle, dressed to the nines with a color-case hardened finish and checkered pistol grip. Loading your own was a matter of economic necessity for most of us, and wildcatting was very common. soft . Load data for 9 loads in caliber .357 Maximum with .355 . The sights are just like the CSBL are an XS Sights ghost ring sight set. Rechamber to .357 Maximum or rethroat .357 Magnum factory chamber: Send the TC, CVA, ORHenry BARREL ONLY, and $125 check or money order, total including UPS shipping. and ring 4 inch plates every time. But that being said, your S&W 8 shot Revolver is a nice pistol. Its an entry-level model MSRP is $972, youll pay about $200 less retail but the rifle comes tapped for a scope or rail if so desired. And of course the popular, accurate Dan Wesson revolvers came out with a long frame, long cylinder Max. Like Chris, Doc, and Tycer said - you've already got the 35 Remington - which is, I believe the question was "does anyone make a Levergun for the 357 Maximum". Accurate Arms, Hercules, Hodgdon, Hornady, IMR, Lyman, Nosler, RCBS, Sierra and Speer. I doubt nothing that Taffin says, but we both know that no gun maker will ever live with that kind of visible damage.But let's step back and look at what the .357 Maximum was designed to do. They seem to have gotten a lot better in the last 5 years ago or so. You would be hard pressed to find an all around cartridge as good as the .357. Use only MAGNUM Rifle primers in .357 Maximum loads. Couldnt seem to understand that I couldnt and didnt care to at this moment. It carries easy, at 6- lbs, with swivel studs coming standard (as does a hammer block safety) and has a large loop for fast cycling. Oranges should be squeezed into juice. This permits me to throat the MAGnum barrel with a proper minimum diameter cylindrical throat that: Given a long minimum diameter throat, a MAGnum gives better accuracy with standard MAG ammo for those wanting to shoot .357 MAGnum and .38 Special loads while also being able to essentially duplicating .350 Legend factory loadings. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Then expand and retool , upgrade if you find its your thing. I enjoyed your article. I kept still hoping that they couldnt climb a tree. If you didn't know much about this caliber before, hopefully this article has given you some insight into why it is such a great cartridge. It's important to note that when using cast bullets, you will need to use gas checks since the velocities reached with .357 Remington Maximum may cause problems. I can recall a conversation with John Taffin, a fellow gunwriter of deserved great reputation. Go to the Contact page for shipping information: For Remington .357 Maximum brass and Thompson Center "G2" Contender .357 Magnum 12" barrels rechambered to .357 Rem. We used Small Rifle primers for all load data, and they did fine with the propellants we tested. Because of this, many hunters are realizing the potential of the cartridge for hunting medium to large game. lever gun that I own and have ever shot, easy on the arms and has some versatility. I would also point out that IHMSA was a. Its just not special enough to me for my wallet to cough up the bucks. The .357 Maximum is a "stretched" .357 Magnum case; it's about 0.315 inch longer than its parent. Many Max shooters (myself included) find poor accuracy with magnum cases. My standard rule for maximum pressure that I have gone by for over 35 years is to take pressures to the point where a slight crater (ridge) begins to appear around the firing pin indent, then back off to just below that point. It downloads well, unlike H110/296. If you start a 140 grain XTP from a 16" .357 carbine at 2000 fps, your retained velocity at 200 will be around 1250- typical handgun muzzle velocity for today's watered-down .357 factory loads. by awp101 Sat Jul 21, 2012 3:23 pm, Post I was favorably impressed with the .357 Max and the spectrum of .357 bullets that would optimize its versatility. The other was H-110 powder which never achieved what I thought was accurate. This produced a blue-white ring of fire at the gap where the bullet transitioned the jump from cylinder to the barrel. If you have to use a long-action gun to create a .357 Maximum, then the other easier way to get the .358" bullet going that fast, is just to use a .35 Remington chambered 'factory' levergun. I just read how lever actions were among the first guns carried on single point slings. Granted, it comes rather dear at $1,214 MSRP, but since the name on it is Marlin instead of Winchester, you should be able to pick it up for much less. I dont have a horse ..so the ring comes off. $150 if you take the simple route leaving the Henry forend on, (This for the extra handling and care packaging to protect the wood finish.).